I think you just successfully summed up the vocal minority of his fanbase in a single sentence. And that actually makes me wonder...when critics attack Mark, or even "just aren't into him", when those supposed fans bare their claws in retaliation, or even try to bully others into submission just for having a different opinion, I'm beginning to suspect they've wrapped their entire lives around Mark's existence to the point they feel personally attacked, and are lashing out because they feel threatened. Not out of any actual loyalty to Mark. I'm also of the opinion he sees that too, to some degree.M0nkeeButt2590 wrote:The rest are so obsessed with his looks and how he makes them feel good that anyone who dares disagree with them is harassed mercilessly!
That's another interesting point. Growing pains in general can be hard, but when it's an internet phenomenon that's still trailblazing a path through uncertainty, no one can tell where or how it's going to end up. I'd love to see more opportunities arise too, but that would make me concerned about people trying to create their own brand. Once enough of the bigger companies sink their multi-billion dollar assets into Youtube, there may just not be any room left for newcomers. Even in gaming, Jack recently mentioned how it used to be a huge deal for someone to have a few hundred thousand subscribers, but now even those with 1 million subs are looked down upon as smaller fish in the Youtube pond.M0nkeeButt2590 wrote:Hopefully in time there will be more opportunities for Youtubers to branch out and be more creative without relying on old unsustainable ways, but it hasn't been invented yet.
Quite possibly all of the above. And I would bet anything Mark knows it. That may be one of the bigger reasons he took a gigantic step back once he realized his motivational vlogs were instead turning into crutches for people that need far more support than he can give them.AquarianHorse wrote:I wonder what will happen to the fandom when Mark does quit Youtube People will probably threaten him, or threaten to take their lives, or go crazy or fight each other.
Once of the most depressing posts I've seen here, but also one of the truest. You can see it, sometimes: he wants to be the person he was at the beginning, who would thank his viewers every few thousand he'd get and make silly or scary videos whenever an idea struck him. That was long before FNAF, before 10 million fans, before a cross-country move and so much interpersonal intrigue within Youtube's hallowed halls that it makes international politics look easy.M0nkeeButt2590 wrote:But the more popular he gets, the more he loses that privacy and even some of his humanity with the way the fans treat him [...] But more likely they'll get infatuated with another celebrity, they'll hoist him up on God Rock and the circle of bullshit will continue.
And one thing I'm taking with me from this convo on GG is the realization that as much as Mark wants with all his heart to make a community that will be different from the others, kinder, more socially responsible, and however much he wants to cultivate leadership among them...the truth is a large mass of people will always sink to the lowest common denominator among them. It's what drives herd mentality, and makes even the smartest person alive do something stupid. In this case, the lowest common denominator has decided to treat him like a deified child, and even if they pretend they aren't worshiping him, the very fact I see so many of them just waiting for him to tweet something or post a video only to respond quite literally within 0.003 seconds every single time suggests otherwise. He's a gamer, an actor, and a creator. He only wanted to be seen as such on Youtube, not the self-help guru others are labeling him as. And when he stops making videos, which he will, that lowest common denominator won't allow the masses to become leaders. If anything, it will make them flounder aimlessly in depression until the next Mark comes along. Then it will happen all over again.
This may be getting too deep for an otherwise surface-level convo, but...as much as I really wish Mark's dreams and hopes for his community would come true, how can you possibly alter the essence of human nature? He basically wants to improve human nature and, by extension, the world. He's 100% right that it's a person-to-person thing, that the improvement only happens when each person makes the conscious choice to take the lead in their own communities and become "better" instead of acting on survival instincts alone, but when you have this ever-growing mass of fans you already acknowledged grew beyond your control long ago, how will the herd mentality ever allow those individuals to reach that conscious decision and improve themselves? Especially when so many are already reliant on external stimuli (i.e. his videos) to feel like they have internal happiness? If that's the case, and the popularity boost he's experienced has allowed his message to reach an exponentially larger crowd that all depend on him to be happy...was his plan to make a better world doomed from the start?
My head hurts now.